Risky Business News Podcast
May 20, 2025
Between Two Nerds: Why hackers and spies don't mix
Presented by

The Grugq
Independent Security Researcher

Tom Uren
Policy & Intelligence
In this edition of Between Two Nerds Tom Uren and The Grugq examine what makes it hard for even competent hackers to contribute to state-backed espionage agencies.
This episode is also available on Youtube.
Between Two Nerds: Why hackers and spies don't mix
0:00 /
28:35

Brought to you by SpecterOps
Know Your Adversary