Risky Business News Podcast
October 16, 2025
Srsly Risky Biz: Small beer surveillance firms escape crackdown, for now
Presented by

Amberleigh Jack
Producer and Editor

Tom Uren
Policy & Intelligence
Tom Uren and Amberleigh Jack talk about First Wap, a Jakarta-based company that is selling surveillance-as-a-service. The good news is that it appears that government and media attention has had an impact on high-profile spyware vendors like NSO Group. The bad news is that these smaller players are flying under the radar and aren’t afraid of selling to sketchy customers.
They also talk about how the Chinese government has harnessed the power of its exploit development community with hacking contests.
This episode is also available on Youtube.
Srsly Risky Biz: Small beer surveillance firms escape crackdown, for now
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