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How the World Got Owned Episode 2: The 1990s, Part One

Presented by

Amberleigh Jack
Amberleigh Jack

Producer and Editor

Patrick Gray
Patrick Gray

CEO and Publisher

In this special documentary episode, Patrick Gray and Amberleigh Jack take a look back at hacking throughout the 1990s, from the feel-good vibes of the early hacking communities to the antics of young hackers who wound up on the run from the FBI.

Part one features recollections from:

  • Jeff Moss (The Dark Tangent), DefCon and Black Hat founder
  • Chris Wysopal (Weld Pond), L0pht member, co-founder, @Stake
  • Kevin Poulsen (Dark Dante), 1990s hacker turned journalist
  • Elias Levy (Aleph One), author of Smashing the Stack for Fun and Profit, Phrack, 1996

How the World Got Owned is produced in partnership with SentinelOne.

How the World Got Owned Episode 2: The 1990s, Part One
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How the World Got Owned Episode 1: The 1980s

Presented by

Amberleigh Jack
Amberleigh Jack

Producer and Editor

Patrick Gray
Patrick Gray

CEO and Publisher

In this special documentary episode, Patrick Gray and Amberleigh Jack take a historical dive into hacking in the 1980s. Through the words of those that were there, they discuss life on the ARPANET, the 414s hacking group, the Morris Worm, the vibe inside the NSA and a parallel hunt for German hackers happening at a similar time to Cliff Stoll’s famous Cuckoo’s Egg story.

This podcast features the memories of:

  • Jon Callas, former principal software engineer at Digital Equipment Corporation
  • Mark Rasch, Morris Worm prosecutor
  • Timothy Winslow, former 414 hacker
  • Greg Chartrand, author of Cracking the Cuckoos Egg and
  • Tony Sager, former NSA

How the World Got Owned is produced in partnership with SentinelOne.

How the World Got Owned Episode 1: The 1980s
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