Risky Business Video
July 13, 2026
Between Two Nerds: Exploits are not cyber power
Presented by
Tom Uren
Policy & Intelligence
The Grugq
Independent Security Researcher
In this edition of Between Two Nerds Tom Uren and The Grugq discuss just how important exploits are for cyber operations using data published in a new paper authored by two members of Ukraine’s cyber security agency.
Show notes:
- Exploits were never the point, https://arunninghacker.substack.com/p/exploits-were-never-the-point
- Rethinking Exploitation in Cyber War: Reassessing the Role of Software Exploits in Wartime, https://www.researchgate.net/publication/405494597_Rethinking_Exploitation_in_Cyber_War_Reassessing_the_Role_of_Software_Exploits_in_Wartime
- Max Smeets’ chapter 5 from “No Shortcuts”: The Elements of an Offensive Cyber Capability: https://academic.oup.com/book/44032/chapter-abstract/373134701