Risky Business Video
September 15, 2025
Between Two Nerds: The limits of cyber power
Presented by

Tom Uren
Policy & Intelligence

The Grugq
Independent Security Researcher
In this edition of Between Two Nerds Tom Uren and The Grugq talk about the limits of a state’s cyber power.
Show notes:
- Dave Aitel’s CyberSecPolitics post on cyber power metrics: https://cybersecpolitics.blogspot.com/2016/06/useful-fundamental-metrics-for-cyber.html
- Lawfare Post: https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/what-are-important-cyber-conflict-questions-and-answers
- BTN 117, The fate of nations: https://risky.biz/BTN117/
- BTN 120, Should US spies steal Chinese commercial secrets: https://risky.biz/BTN120/