Tom Uren and Amberleigh Jack talk about Huawei’s contract to manage storage for Spain’s lawful intercept system. News broke this week that Spain had signed a €12 million contract, but it turns out Huawei has been involved in the system since 2004!

They also discuss arrests in the UK of four individuals associated with Scattered Spider. The criminal resumés of two of the suspects support the idea that there are key individuals with outsize impact. But they also reinforce that the online communities they are involved in act as training grounds for cyber criminals. Arrests will slow hacks, not stop them.